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Dreamland (Part 1)

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                  ***** Dreamland (aka Area 51-1.ASC) *****
                              November 11, 1989
          ParaNet  Information Service (Denver, CO)--This evening  saw
     perhaps an unprecedented event in UFOlogy.  KLAS-TV in Las Vegas,
     Nevada  has  been airing a UFO special during  the  evening  news
     which began on Monday dealing with the UFO mystery and  cover-up.
          The series,  which  has  been  covered  by ParaNet, began its
     coverage with  a  history of UFOs beginning in the late 1940s  and
     moving forward  through  the  numerous  sighting  reports  to  the
     cattle mutilations,  which was aired last evening.  As promised
     at  the close  of  last  evening's  show,  George  Knapp,  a  news
     anchorman  for Channel   8   in  Vegas,  stated  that a scientific
     person  would  be featured on tonight's program who has claimed to
     work at Area  51, the  government's  super-secret  test  range  at
     Nevada Test Site  at Mercury, Nevada.
          Indeed,  quite a story was told by Robert Lazar,  a physicist
     who claimed  that   he  had  worked  on  a  project  at   Area  51
     involving flying disks provided by alien intelligences.
          Over the last year, ParaNet has carried stories relating  to
     possible  involvement  with the government in  projects  of  this
     nature at the Nevada test site.  Up to now, the stories have been
     of a very speculative nature.  Although the material presented by
     Robert  Lazar  remains unconfirmed, enough information  has  been
     disclosed that ParaNet's large investigative staff in Nevada  has
     started an intensive investigation into this release. Both  Lazar
     (formerly  known  only  as "Dennis") and Lear  have  appeared  on
     Channel  8 -- Lear appearing on numerous occasions together  will
     Bill Cooper discussing Lear's famous 'ET Hypothesis.'
          On a  past KLAS-TV  report,  Lear was shown to have  traveled
     to  locations appearing   to  overlook   the   test   site   which
     purportedly provided  a  good  view of the objects  as  they  flew
     into the night  sky.   Lear attempted  to shoot video of an object
     as it  maneuvered   through the  night  sky  during  last  summer,
     however nothing was  captured  on  the   tape   of  a  substantive
     nature.  Lear also  relates   that   his group  was  harassed by a
     Lincoln County  sheriff   following   his  attempts  to  take  the
          Below  is  a  transcript  of the  program  that  aired  this
     evening.   All paragraphs out of quotes are the narrator  of  the
     segment.   We were as accurate as possible on the  transcription,
     however  there are a couple of places where comments were  edited
     out due to inability to understand what was being said.
          Further  reports  will be provided  as  information  becomes
          We've  been  working  on  the  story  for  some  time....UFO
     researchers  claim that there is a secret government  within  our
     government.  Now this may be hard to believe coming from the  UFO
     perspective,  but  we have learned that Watergate  and  the  Iran
     Contra  scandal  that factions within our government can  and  do
     pursue  their own hidden agendas outside of the law; outside  the
     control of the Congress or the knowledge of the American  people.
     This is exactly the type of operation that we hear about tonight.
     It's  a  chilling scenario with worldwide implications  that  may
     have its roots right here [Las Vegas, Nevada].
          Area 51, that mysterious corner of the Nevada Test Site,  is
     no  longer considered a secret.  The fact that  secretive  things
     go on here isn't evident; even to the Soviets who make daily  spy
     flights  over  the facility to take a peek at  what's  going  on.
     These photos, never before shown in public, are about as close as
     anyone will ever come to seeing what the place looks like  again.
     The dry bed at Groom Lake, the corrugated buildings, a three-mile
     long  runway  and some highly sophisticated radar  and  detection
     equipment.   Its  been  known by many names  over  the  years  --
     Dreamland; The Ranch; The Skunk Works.  If ever there was a place
     to  test  the  secret new technology, this  is  it.   And  that's
     exactly what has been done here for decades.
          Area  51  is  where Francis Gary Powers and  the  other  U-2
     pilots  were trained in the 50s.  And, where the U-2  itself  was
     developed.   The SR-71 spy plane that spotted Soviet missiles  in
     Cuba  in  the early 60s were also developed at 51.  51  is  where
     Stealth  technology  was nurtured, where Star  Wars  devices  are
     still tested, and where all manner of CIA [unknown] business  has
     been  plotted  and refined.  It's the perfect  place  for  secret
     things,  but  of course, that's no secret.  51 is ringed  by  the
     forbidden vastness of the Nevada test site; by the looming  Groom
     Mountain  and  by sparsely populated desert  expanses.   But  the
     people that do live out here have no love lost for the  military,
     but  they're  conservative,  patriotic and they  mind  their  own
        Interviewer questioning  a  nearby  resident of Area 51:  "Ever
                    see something that you can't explain?"
        Resident: "Sure, lots of times."
        Interviewer:  "Care to elaborate?"
        Resident:  "No."  (Laughter).
          On  any given night at the Rachel Bar and Grill,  you  might
     find  three or four people who work at Area 51.  They  are  among
     the flowing Budweiser and the cowboy hats.  You might find  them,
     but  they  are not going to talk to.  Not about the  things  that
     they have seen over the mountain.  A steady trickle of curiosity-
     seekers  flows through here; strangers, drawn by strange  stories
     of lights in the night sky.  Their questions also go  unanswered.
     No one who has worked at Dreamland has ever publicly acknowledged
     what  so  many  people  have suspected  for  years:   That  alien
     technology is being tested in the Nevada desert.
          The speculation first surfaced in documents obtained by  UFO
     researchers.  Documents about something called Project  Aquarius.
     The document allegedly prepared for an organization called MJ-12,
     states  that  a  program to fly recovered  alien  spacecraft  was
     established  in 1972 and is continuing in Nevada.   The  National
     Security Agency has confirmed it does have a Project Aquarius but
     denies that it has anything to do with flying saucers.  NSA  will
     not say what Project Aquarius is.
          Speculation  was  heightened  in 1984, when  the  Air  Force
     seized nearly 90,000 acres around Groom Lake.  The action was, by
     most accounts, illegal.  During Congressional hearings about  the
     land grab, Congressman John Siberling grilled the military  about
     the legal authority used in the action and was told the authority
     was   at  a  much,  much  higher  level  than  the   Air   Force.
     Siberling  asked  what authority is higher than the laws  of  the
     United States?  The Air Force official said he could respond, but
     only in a closed briefing.  In 1987, when the Air Force sought to
     renew  its  stranglehold on the Groom range, news  articles  once
     again  mentioned the talk about alien spacecraft  and  subsequent
     articles  in  national magazines quoted  un-named  sources  about
     things of alien origin flying in Nevada.  Things that would  make
     film-maker  George Lucas drool.  Despite the speculation, no  one
     who  knew Area 51 from the inside ever talked publicly about  the
     saucer story.
     Bob  Lazar:  "Well, there's several uh, actually nine  uh  flying
     saucers,  flying  disks that are out  there  of  extraterrestrial
     origin."   The  live  interview with the  shadowy  "Dennis"  drew
     international attention.  Portions were broadcast by radio in six
     European  countries, and in a nationally televised TV special  in
          Despite  numerous  inquiries  and  "feelers,"  "Dennis"  has
     remained anonymous until now.  His real name is Robert Lazar.   A
     young scientist with eclectic interests.  The choice of  "Dennis"
     was an inside joke -- he says that's the name of his superior  at
     Groom Lake.  It wasn't a joke to Dennis.
     Lazar:   "He called right after and said, 'Do you have  any  idea
     what we're going to do to you now?' and I said no, and he hung up
     the phone."
          Lazar's  story is by any standard, fantastic.  He says  he's
     telling it in order to protect himself.  He said he was hired  to
     work in area called S-4 which is a few miles south of Groom Lake.
     At  S-4,  he says, are flying saucers, anti-matter  reactors  and
     other  working  examples of technology that is  seemingly  beyond
     human capabilities.
     Lazar:  "Right.  This stuff came from somewhere else.  I know  it
     is  hard to believe, but it is there and I saw it.  I  know  what
     the  current  state-of-the-art is in physics and it it  can't  be
          Checking  out Lazar's credentials proved to be  a  difficult
     task.   He says he holds degrees in physics and electronics,  but
     the schools that we contacted say they've never heard of him.  He
     says  he  also  worked  as a physicist  at  Los  Alamos  National
     Labs  where  he worked with one of the world's  largest  particle
     beam  accelerators,  a  half-mile  long  'behemoth'  capable   of
     generating  seven-hundred  million volts.  Los  Alamos  officials
     told  us they have no record of Robert Lazar ever working  there.
     They were either mistaken or were lying.  A 1982 phone book  from
     the  Lab lists Lazar right there among the other  scientists  and
     technicians.  A 1982 news clipping from the Los Alamos  newspaper
     profiled Lazar and his interest in jet cars.  It, too,  mentioned
     his  employment at the Lab as a physicist.  We called Los  Alamos
     again,  and  an  exasperated official told us  he  still  had  no
     records  on  Lazar.   EG&G,  which is where  Lazar  says  he  was
     interviewed  for the job at S-4, also has no record.  It's as  if
     someone has made him disappear.
     Lazar:  "Well, they're trying to make me look non-existent to the
     places that I called...."
     Interviewer:  "Explain.  Called where?"
     Lazar:   "Well, the schools that I went to; the hospital  that  I
     was born at; past jobs, and nothing comes up with my name on it."
          He smiles, but out of futility, knowing the whole thing must
     sound  ridiculous.   According  to Lazar, his  employer  was  the
     United  States Navy.  He says he and other  government  employees
     would gather near EG&G, fly to Groom Lake, then a very few people
     would get into a bus with blacked out or no windows and drive  to
     Interviewer:  "You get off the bus, what do you see?"
     Lazar:   "A  very  interesting  building.  Its  got  a  slope  of
     probably  about  30 degrees which are hangar doors,  and  it  has
     textured paint on it, but it looks like sand.  It's made to  look
     like  the  side of the mountain that it is in,  whether  it's  to
     disguise it from satellite photographs or what...."
          He  says he was never told exactly what he would be  working
     on, but figured it had something to do with advanced  propulsion.
     On  his first day he was told to read a series of briefings,  and
     immediately realized how advanced the propulsion really was.
     Lazar:   "The power source is an anti-matter reactor.   They  run
     gravity  amplifiers.   There is actually two parts to  the  drive
     mechanism.   It's  a bizarre technology.  There  is  no  physical
     hookups between any of the systems in there.  They use gravity as
     a wave using wave guides that look like microwaves."
          It  took awhile, Lazar says, before he actually saw  one  of
     the flying disks, however there were hints everywhere.
     Lazar:   "Right.   They  had  a poster,  and  it  looked  like  a
     commercial  poster, like it was lithographed, like you could  buy
     it  at K-Mart or someplace, but they were all over the place  and
     it  had the disk that I coined the term 'the floor  model'  which
     lifted  off the ground about 3 feet out at the area, in  the  Dry
     Lakes  area,  and the caption on it said 'They're  here.'   These
     posters were all over the place."
          Later, he got to see the real thing.
     Lazar:  "When I was led in, it was the first time that I saw  the
     'floor  model'  in the hangar sitting down, and I was  told  they
     could have walked me in the front door but they purposely  wanted
     to walk me by it.  I was told not to say anything and to keep  my
     eyes  forward and walk past the disk to the office area.   And  I
     did.   And as we went by it, I just kinda stuck my hands  on  it,
     just to run it alongside the thing and uh ....After that I got to
     see actually lift off the ground and operate."
     Interviewer:  "You actually got to see more than one?"
     Lazar:   "Yeah.  The hangars are all connected  together.   There
     are large bay doors between each one.  There were nine total that
     I  saw, each one being different.  Like they had  the  assortment
          Security at S-4 was oppressive Lazar said, and his superiors
     used fear and intimidation almost as a brainwashing tool.
     Lazar:  "They did everything but physically hurt me."
     Interviewer:  "They put a gun to your head?"
     Lazar:  "Yeah."
     Interviewer:  "You mean they actually put a gun to your head?"
     Lazar:   "They did that even in the original  security  briefing.
     Guards there with M-16s.  Guys there slamming their fingers  into
     my  chest, screaming into my ear, they were pointing  weapons  at
     me.  Like I said, it's not a good place to work."
          That  fear  factor  would surface later.   Lazar  agreed  to
     undergo a polygraph exam as part of this report.  Polygrapher Ron
     Clay asked about the technology that Lazar had seen.
     Polygrapher:   "Did you knowingly lie when you had actually  seen
     anti-gravity propulsion in operation?"
     Lazar:  "No."
          The results of this exam were inconclusive.  Lazar  appeared
     to  be  truthful  on  one test;  deceitful  on  a  second.   Clay
     recommended  that a second examiner be brought  in.   Polygrapher
     Terry Tabernetti (sp?) runs a corporate security operation and is
     a  former Los Angeles police officer.  He put Lazar through  four
     tests and concluded there were no attempts to deceive.
          Tabernetti sent his test results to a third polygrapher  who
     agreed the results appeared truthful.  The charts were then  sent
     to  a  fourth examiner who did not agree  suggesting  that  Lazar
     might  be  relating information he'd learned from  someone  else.
     The  polygraphers  concurred and decided they would not  issue  a
     final  statement on truthfulness until more specific testing  can
     be conducted.  And that's where it stands.
          Tabernetti  believes the difficulty in  determining  Lazar's
     truthfulness stems from the fear that was drilled into him.
     Lazar:  "Well, I am telling the truth.  I've tried to prove that.
     What's  going  on up there could be the most important  event  in
     history.   You're  talking about contact,  physical  contact  and
     proof from another planet, another system, another  intelligence.
     Thats got to be the biggest event in history, period.  And,  it's
     real  and it's there.  And I had an extremely small part  in  it.
     I'm  convinced that what I saw is absolute proof of that.   There
     is  no way that we could have created those disks.  There  is  no
     way  we could have made the disks, the power  supplies,  anything
     that goes with it."
          Lazar  says he has no intention of going on any UFO  lecture
     circuit.  He is not looking to do any additional interviews.   In
     fact, he was not too crazy about doing this one.  He did it after
     certain unfavorable things started happening in his life, and  he
     did it because he feels that whoever is running the show up at S-
     4  is  perpetrating  a  fraud on  the  American  people  and  the
     scientific community.
                                Vangard Note
                    This information courteously uploaded
                        to KeelyNet by Lance Oliver.

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